BAND(s) HISTORY, Anecdotes, Bios, Trivia

[Spoon]

Re: the August 2002 Chicago show

Per the anecdote, I didn't realize Hope was a smoker. I had heard that she never smoked. Anyone know?

[alas]

I scrolled through the previous listings here, and I didn't see the following tidbit posted. If it WAS, sorry for the duplication.

Source: Barbed Wire Kisses: The Jesus and Mary Chain Story by Zoe Howe.

Passages on Hope Sandoval as found through Google Books:

Jim apparently was annoyed with William having Hope on the American tour because William and Hope would wander off together and couldn't be found.

During the time JAMC were making Stoned and Dethroned: William's and Jim's lives were taking a nosedive. According to Jim: "'My personal life was starting to slide, broken relationships and stuff like that, likewise with William. He got it on with Hope [Sandoval, Mazzy Star's lead singer] during that record, but he was still going out with Rona. That got messy, as it would.' William himself would later explain in an interview with musician and friend Dimitri Coats that while he had fallen in love with Hope, it 'was the unhappiest time in my life. It was horrible, horrible, horrible.'"

Sidenote: William had been with Rona for nine years. Jim, apparently, would get irritated by Hope's presence.

[Hermesacat]

alas:
Just saw your comment today as I've been out of town and mostly away from net activities for a month+. Thanks for posting quotes from your find re. JAMC & Hope with details I didn't know before such as that William already had a steady gf when he was involved with Hope. I recall someone some years back posted at now defunct mazzystar.nu fan site just the quote from the William Reid interview you cite where William said he was in love with Hope but it was the unhappiest time of his life. Thanks for the added info.

[Emma]

Re: the August 2002 Chicago show
Per the anecdote, I didn't realize Hope was a smoker. I had heard that she never smoked. Anyone know?

I'm afraid I can't really answer your question as I don't know much about Hope's personal life, let alone her attitude towards smoking. However, I remember reading an old Mazzy Star concert review (published in the 90s) that included an anecdote similar to the one in the Chicago review. The journalist reported that Hope asked for cigarettes during the show and was offered a joint by someone in the audience. According to the journalist, she declined the offer, replying something like "No, not that kind of cigarette".


There's also a reference to David and Hope smoking in one of the articles posted by Hermesacat in the Hope Sandoval and the Warm Inventions Interviews thread:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/4726 ... alone.html

A former employee of Opal's label, British independent Rough Trade, recalls them coming over to London in 1989, to play one of their final shows before Opal mutated into Mazzy Star. 'Hope and David sat in the Rough Trade office all day long, smoking and silent."

Besides these two references, I came across this "unexpected" comment on YT:

"Might surprise all of you to know that Hope S may look like an angel. But she smokes like a chimney, likes a drink or two (lol) and swears like a trooper. I adore her."

I don't know if this comment should be taken seriously as anyone can write anything on the internet. (I must say that this description doesn't exactly match the way I imagine Hope !)
Perhaps you can contact the poster through his YT account to determine if he was just joking or if he really knows Hope. His YT nickname is Keith Bate and his comment was posted one year ago. It appears on the first page of the California video on YT.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oEf1Qq6upEU

[Zarik]

I don't know if this comment should be taken seriously as anyone can write anything on the internet. (I must say that this description doesn't exactly match the way I imagine Hope !)
Perhaps you can contact the poster through his YT account to determine if he was just joking or if he really knows Hope. His YT nickname is Keith Bate and his comment was posted one year ago. It appears on the first page of the California video on YT.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oEf1Qq6upEU

Hope was notorious for requesting/drinking wine during her interviews in the '90s, and the swearing thing is pretty notorious also from her infamous meltdown at the Boston show during the 2001 Warm Inventions tour...good times

[Hermesacat]

Re. Hope & smoking: I'm not sure why anyone should be too surprised she's been a smoker (as Emma posts some more evidence of). After all, the rock n roll world's never been known to be a realm of clean & healthy living (hello JAMC)! And as Zarik mentions, we know she likes wine too, so is not vice-free. I just hope Hope's given up the tobacco habit by now though, as it's a good habit to quit before it does permanent damage.
Here's a scary stat I read: Smoking reportedly kills approx. half its long-term users via COPD, cancer, heart disease, stroke, etc.... So Hope, if by chance you're still smoking, please do quit soon, as we wish you to have a very long & healthy life & career!

[Emma]

Here is a picture of Mazzy Star's bootleg album, The Other Side.
The original poster got this CD as a birthday present from David Roback himself.
Check out the note that David Roback wrote for his friend on the leaflet:

"Original bootleg hour being bootlegged by original owner"


https://www.instagram.com/p/2LHX52pE9V/

edit: Added the link to the source.

[Hermesacat]

Emma: Nice collectors item, the "The Other Side" CD. Did you see it up for auction somewhere? Or did someone post it as online as an interesting "conversation piece"? Btw I think the word that looks like "hour" I'll guess says "now," instead.

[Hermesacat]

[This post got BANNED at another fan site (the popular Mazzy&Hope FB site). Lucky you get to read it HERE!]

HOPE'S X-RATED VIDEO, "PARADISE CIRCUS"!

(no, it's not quite what you may be thinking).

The uncensored video is viewable at Vimeo, here: https://vimeo.com/71961703

Mention of this video is findable already in the HS&TWI Interviews thread, but I thought
it deserves a more detailed, prominent post. It's a video the band Massive Attack released
in Dec., 2009, an official video of their and Hope's song "Paradise Circus," released as a single around
the same time, a song collaboration with Hope as she wrote the lyrics & melody, and sang it. The song was also included on Massive Attack's Feb. 2010 album release, "Heligoland."

Five or six years ago, fans visiting go-to fan site of the time, Mazzy Star Boulevard (now defunct), knew about the video as it was discussed there. And music sites publicized it. But since many people may have missed it, it deserves a new post.

It's no doubt one of the more unusual aspects of Hope's career. It's an official video
of her/Massive Attack's song, an interesting, though XXX-rated, documentary which
means you won't find it on youtube uncensored. It's not a conventional music video. Instead, it's
a short documentary film that uses the song "Paradise Circus" as its soundtrack/theme song.
It's a documentary of an interview with retired porn star Georgina Spelvin, now a senior,
and includes hard core clips from her 1973 "porn classic" "The Devil in Miss Jones."
The documentary appears to have been edited to a length to approximately fit the song's
length. The opening credits say it's presented by "Heligoland Pictures," which links
it directly to the band Massive Attack. It appears to have been a collaboration between
Massive Attack and film director Toby Dye.

The XXX-rated video of "Paradise Circus" used to be viewable at Massive Attack's official
site, but last I checked is no longer up there. But I did notice today, the band's FB page
has a couple of posts with links to a Vimeo upload of the video, viewable here:
https://vimeo.com/71961703

-There was an interview with Hope from some time in 2010 I once read
somewhere but can no longer find. It was interesting for her comments re.
her collaboration with Massive Attack on the song "Paradise Circus," & for her comments
re. the documentary video. Hope said the song came about when the band sent Hope the
music track which she wrote a vocal part & lyrics for, & recorded her part in her own home
studio without even meeting with the band.

In the "lost" interview, Hope's asked some questions about the video. Going just
from memory now, I recall she said she really liked the film/video, though she
said it was "pretty wild." And I believe Hope said something to the effect that
she found Georgina's comments about sex fascinating. Hope said the film needed her
formal approval before it could be released, i.e. she said they needed her to sign
off on its release since her song was featured in it. She also mentioned
her brother had seen it, &, amusingly said "I hope my Dad doesn't see it." That
part was funny.

I've also upped a higher video quality vesion of this video hanwaker shared with me to this file sharing site where anyone can download it: https://mega.nz/#!6FUVWYwK!G2znr27r1Qnk ... 7aU2riT9zU
It's listed in the Boots thread now. It's much better quality than the Vimeo versions online, which is why I'm adding it here. Also, see p. 5 of the "Youtube Links" thread re. my yt upload relating to the video.
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I recently posted a post similar to this one re. the Paradise Circus video to the popular
Facebook Mazzy/Hope fan site mentioned elsewhere in this forum. Unfortunately, it was up for but a brief time
'cause one of its five administrators removed it. They have a clumsy admin. system over there, apparently. David Morgan (opalstardream) is an administrator, and he gave my post a thumbs-up "like" vote, along with six other Group members. But a short time later, an anonymous administrator (I don't know who) took it upon his or her self to not only in effect "veto" fellow administrator David's "like,' but to unilaterally delete the post entirely. What kind of Hope fan site administrator would do that, i.e. censor/suppress/ ban an official video of a Hope song, a video she herself likes and approved? No FB rules against nudity or porn were broken. The XXX video was not embedded on the FB page as I provided only a non-working link that people who wanted to view it needed to manually correct by replacing the word "DOT" with a real "."

It would be equivalent to an administrator at a Lou Reed/Velvet Underground fan site banning all of Lou's drug songs, and all discussion of them, on the grounds the administrator didn't personally approve of illicit drug use! Seriously, that's how obnoxious, ridiculous, and inappropriate it is, imo, for a Hope fan site administrator to ban info. re. the "Paradise Circus" video, presumably on the grounds the admin. doesn't personally like the porn aspect.

I learned today Massive Attack's own FB page has a had a couple of posts up for years with direct links to the Vimeo video, although the video's not embedded on the page. Not allowed at the Mazzy Star & Hope Sandoval FB Group though! Sheesh. (Just had to vent a little).

Probably a lot of Hope fans don't even know about the Paradise Circus video, particularly newer fans, or ones who weren't paying close attention 5 or 6 years ago. But it's an interesting video, and a part of Hope's career, an unusual part deserves to be known.

I learned yt does have a version of the Paradise Circus video up, but with all XXXes removed. That is, the interview & film are intact except all porn scenes are shown completely out of focus/obscured so there's nothing XXX, left to see, just a tiny bit of "R" (brief nudity). But Vimeo's got the complete, unabridged, uncensored video here: https://vimeo.com/71961703

Also, I now have my own upload of the song with a slideshow at yt, here: https://youtu.be/pnr9uSxiYcY

[drugstore]

Here are some other massages on Hope from the JAMC story book which alas mentioned before:

On November 27 the Mary Chain and Mazzy Star were booked to play the Roxy in Los Angeles, Hope’s home city. Jim says: “ The period after Stoned&Dethroned, that was when William and I started to not understand each other’s direction. He was going out with Hope and I didn’t hit it off with her. Maybe I was a bit hard on her. She could be a bit prima donna-ish, but a lot of it was naïve and innocent, although I didn’t see it at the time.
“I remember in LA, after the sound-check William was going back to Hope’s and I said, ‘ You’re not going to have time to go there and come back for the gig.’ He said, ’No, I’ll be all right.’ He rolled up about five minutes after show-time and I was pissed off , I screamed at them. Hope just kind of stamped her foot and marched out.”
“William just said, ‘Fuck you. I’m not going on stage until I’m drunk,’ ” Monti adds. “So we all had to sit there in the dressing-room watching him drink Jack Daniel’s while the clock ticked. Every now and then I dared to ask, ‘Are you drunk yet?’ Finally he was ready so we could do the gig.”
Seething, Jim marched on stage and growled into the microphone, “William’s had too much to drink.” Not to be outdone, William retorted, “And Jim’s a fucking prick.”
“They were the kings of stage banter,” says Lincoln Fong, who was watching it all unfold just feet away from him on stage. “Sometimes it was hard not to laugh when it kicked off. The show went well though.”
Looking back, Jim is philosophical, not to mention contrite. “I think I was the idiot there. I think back to what the Mary Chain was about—so what that he rolled up five minutes late? There was no harm done, I just wanted to make a point.
“There was a lot of things like that with Hope, and I don’t think she meant any harm, but it ruffled my feathers, and I would make stands over things that, as I look back on them, I don’t think were important. I probably should have cut her some slack.”